That is fact. prove to me goku overestimated gotenks please. Explain why Goku would let Gohan beat Piccolo Buu if SSJ3 Goku could defeat him? Ssj3 goku did fight fat buu but didn't lose, it was his first time in this form and he couldn't control his energy spike. and who died??? What, so your saying Goku at SS3 could pound Super Buu the way Gohan did?Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. he had 5 years training uub to master ssj3. gt is non canon and im smarter than you. he went easy on buu giving the next generation a chance to defeat buu seeing as goku knew he couldnt protect earth forever. Until Vegeta was able to reach SSj4, EVERYONE ELSE other than Goku was USELESS by themselves. Majin Goku was created when the deceased Babidi worked his evil magic on our hero. thats why he was ssj3 in just a week of training and thats why he kicks goku's ass. so how can gohan not beat the "ssj2 level"?Broly Rocks 08:52, August 21, 2011 (UTC), ok to clear things up... super buu is WAY stronger than kid buu, but kid buu is more dangerous. Others follow the Anime. Numbuh424 asks how will we eat candy? 135 Lv. Now about Goku vs Buutenks thing. When he was near Super Buu he knew that Super Buu wouldn't let him reach his full power and that Gohan could defeat him on his own anyways. at normal size, goku > super buu. I go by the FUNimation Dub. So people need to stop using that as evidence. SSJ3 Gotenks was a boy. So this already says SSJ1 Gotenks >= SSJ3 Goku. (The finger flick did not beat him, just knocked him down.) not as much as they could give. Dele. Their is proof in the manga and in the anime. The gap may not exist at all. goku was unable to reach full power vs kid buu because ssj3 eats up too much energy in his living body compared to when he trained in otherworld. toriyama had nothign to do with the american dub so not only is it non canon, its literally fanfiction. Then we can state that Goku is stronger than Buuccolo, and Gohan is probably equal to Goku or a bit weaker or a bit powerful. no one believes that, especially piccolo. SS2 is only a 2 times multiplier. the only reason goku used genki dama was because he put his faith in vegetas plan to use the people of earths power to save themselves. In fact, some say that Base Gotenks (Post-RoSaT) would rival SSj3, although I don't believe it as he (Base Gotenks) still lost to Super Buu, while his SSj form did better. He stated that he could've beaten Fat Buu when he first encountered him. vegeta says "buu is stronger than i imagined. It's never really properly explained how powerful Gohan is after the elder Kai unlocks his potential, so who would win in a fight during that saga - SSJ3 Goku or Ultimate Gohan? EntertainmentFan14 14:40, October 16, 2011 (UTC). goku is rarely wrong and if he is, that means theres some contributing factor. Now about spirit bomb and gohan giveing his energy and it wasnt enough. Yet he believes a SSJ1 Gotenks can beat Super Buu. all that stuff you said about the spirit bomb makes no sense and it makes you sound messed up in the head. Ultimate isn't a SSJ form. SSJ3 Goktenks fought evenly or superior to Super Buu. - The Saiyan Lineage - Z Fighters - Infighter - Shocking Speed - Power Bestowed by God - Fierce Battle Hybrid Saiyans - Majin Buu Saga - Goku's Family - Siblings' Bond - Revenge - Rapid Growth - Saviors End of discussion.Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. - SSjin 3 Goku vs Super Buutenks (Full Power) = Fight barely lasts 5 or so minutes, but Goku actually manages to tussle with Buutenks, blast him away with ki (better than anything Gohan managed) and even engage in a super-speed clash. . SSJ3!!! you said your going by funimation. But kid buu is weaker in power level than super buu. . Thats just dumb. This is the only thing we have than can draw a clear winner. Although originally introduced as a mild-mannered and easily scared child, Gohan harbors an immense, limitless potential that surpasses that of his father. And SSJ3 is a FORM, not a power level. I think it was said he has the most potential. Okay, I'm going to stop this. They have a great fighting style and it is "polished". Things aren't always as they seem. Trunks and Goten even remark that their power is great as well. 121.222.11.242 06:39, August 19, 2011 (UTC). And a big factor in a fight would be the energy output of both fighters. Now, the Manga doesn't have any filler, and it NEVER states anywhere (Japanese or Englsih) who is stronger Goku or Gohan. Ssjobber3 Goku vs fat Buu - runs away. At the time he was a SSJ2 and possibly had the ability to go SSJ3 with training. This is what creates the confusion but what about the lines of argument i have presented before?? Goku had to achieve the incomplete version of Ultra Instinct before he could attain a victory over Kefla. EntertainmentFan14 17:23, October 15, 2011 (UTC). Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! Got into an argument with my friend over who would win between the two. that was japanese dub. Gohan? Goku also said that kid buu is twice as strong as ever before. goku ssj1 in gt is comparable to what ssj1 gotenks was back then. well it wouldnt even be noticed by freeza if he was 100% final form. so gohan beating super buu means that he is way stronger than kid buu or goku. gohan is the strongest unfused character in dbz stated by AT so stop debating over it and realize:ssj3=unfused and gohan is the strongest unfused character in dbz!Dont think of metioning gotenks..you should know ultimate gohan is stronger than ssj3 gotenks. gotenks got crushed meaning that statements bullshit. Also, about the debate above, Gohan is a LOT stronger/faster than Goku, but seriously lacks fighting instincts. We all can remember when Gohan way giving a really nice beating to Majin Buu in his very first … I highly doubt that is true. Dragon Ball Heroes - All Super Saiyan 3 Adult Gotenks & Buu Saga cutscenes | clips. It is important we must stop the debate here as thing r very unclear. what temper? 121.222.11.242 04:05, August 20, 2011 (UTC), "A full powered version of a ssj3 Goku could've beaten Gohan.". Gohan easily dominated and beat the hell out of Super Buu, who was far stronger than Fat Buu. Ssj3 Goku vs Gohan was never controversial It has always been known that Ssj3 > Mystic power This is because Mystic Gohan has a limit, his potential. could roshi beat raditz? Basically he sorely overestimated Gotenks, as Gotenks failed. gohan said those tricks had no effect on him because of how well hes been trained. and so are you. And if it is true that he was the strongest in the Buu fight, he isn't the strongest after the 10 year gap. !Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. Log in. So Ultimate Gohan < SSJ3 Goku. I know Goku says a lot of dumb things, like that Gotenks is more powerful, but Gotenks was expected to do big things and was composed of 2 boys. To those arguing with Goku's statement as some kind of fact, Goku has been wrong. Default loss. if he didnt run out of time he would have wiped super buu out. Goku held his fighting with kid buu whereas gohan was easily defeated by buu+piccolo+gotenks. I...am Supreme Gohan! Gohan achieved the Mystic form which is even stronger than Goku’s Super Saiyan 3 yeah you heard it right the Mystic Gohan is way more powerful than the Super Saiyan 3 Goku. yes he did use ssj3. show me a manga scan of goku fighting super buu and ill submit. since goku had no idea super buu would appear, nor would goku ever stand a chance against super buu whereas gotenks had an upper hand, this means goku has no chance in hell of beating gotenks in a fight. And ss3 goku does have the highest power level out of characters. Goku and vegeta both said that buu's strength is increasing when he was about to evolve into kid buu. 09:19, October 21, 2011 (UTC). Gohan got ****ed in Super and now he's a no one. plus buu was greatly holding back. But there is no doubt that Ultimate Gohan is strong!! plus piccolo was wrong. Gohan vs Super Buu - Gohan wins Gohan vs Buutenks - interrupted Gohan vs Buucolo - default win to Gohan Spirit Bomb feat everyone vs Kid Buu - everyone wins. 3:31. Gotenks is a fighting genius?! Plus Kid Buu is stronger then super Buu. Chapter 507 page 12 Goku says "even though hes back to normal hes still far too strong for us" Goku clearly states that even working together with Vegeta that buu could still defeat them, this is the same buu that Gohan absolutely destroyed. After Old Kai is released from the Z Sword, he unlocks Gohan's full potential. To those saying Kid Buu is far weaker than Super Buu, didn't (at least in the anime) Gohan and the Z fighters back on earth donate some of their if not most of their energy to the spirit bomb then go around telling people to give up their energy. It's pretty simple, besides a FPSSJ3 or MSSJ3 to where it wouldn't drain his energy, would be more than enough for Ultimate Gohan. However the anime made SSJ3 seem stronger. I thing it was vegeta or sayian saga that to use spirit bomb you need pure energy or at least a decent energy.Now gohan couldnt give his energy because to unlease the power of SSJ2 you need the feeling of wrath and with that feeling your energy is impure.And if you remember Gohan tell to the elder Kai how he could unleashe his power and he say do your Super Sayian trick. Gohan completely flattens Goku. When Goku was letting Vegeta get beat up it was so he could gather energy to beat kid buu who is just as strong as super buu, canon. Goku [Ssj3] + Vegeta [Ssj2] vs Ultimate Gohan + Gotenks - May 8, 15; Buutenks vs Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks SSjin3, Goku SSjin3, Vegeta SSjin Enraged - Apr 1, 14; Meaning he may or may not have been able to win, no one knows. well it wasnt. And don't get on here talking about how powerful Kid Buu is. When Vegeta and Goku say that Kid Buu>Super buu it was when it was transform to the Ultimade Buu when he absorve the North kai That strong Kai. Goku wanted to fuse with Gohan to beat Buutenks and fuse with Vegeta to beat Buuhan. Gohan also gets smashed in like 2 hits. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3160-13/dragon-ball/chapter-511.html. piccolo thought blowing up the door was better than letting gotenks fight more. It is implied that Gohan is, since it is his unlocked potential. Tell me how you know this. its in the manga right in fucking front of us. Then people say Goku was scared of Super Buu. Thaddeuspawlett78. Also kid buu is stated to be more ruthless and evil,not stronger. So no matter what quotes you have or what the anime series says, Goku killed Buu and Gohan did nothing really but die along with Earth. Oh, and by the way Ultimate Gohan is his max power unlocked as his base form. super buu also had fat buu absorbed so he wasn't able to freely use his full potential because fat buu made him a little weaker. Goku said, he didn't try his hardest when he fought Fat Buu, but he also said he didn't know if he could win. hes also a genius at rapidly discovering new levels of ssj without someone else showing it to them first. base gotenks > ssj3 goku. He compared the results he thought he'd get by fusing with Vegeta, to Gotenks. It'd be logical to say tha Kid Buu is as strong as or stronger than Super Buu's base form. Only when Super Buu absorbed Gotenks SSJ3 and Picollo did he lose his ground. He said "Gohan can handle you now". Anyways, Buu adds Gohan's power and  becomes even stronger than he was before. The Elder Kai's mystical ritual boosted Gohan's latent abilities to unseen levels, augmented by additional training, effectively making Gohan's previous transformations largely obsolete. experience is useless, except that he can understand when hes gonna die faster than two little kids. Kid Buu is just Pure Unrestrained Evil(Kinda like broly) that is more dangerous than the other forms because he doesn't mind using it to blow up every single planet, that in no way means that he's more powerful. He was able to fight Super Buu Gotenks Absorbed for a short time. He did in fact say he could definately beat fat buu. NomadMusikTalkFanon Wiki, I believe Ultimate Gohan is as strong as a ssj3 but would not be as strong as Goku was when he finished off Kid Buu. so your looking at a gap of more than 3000 times121.222.11.242 04:05, August 20, 2011 (UTC). Well, Ultimate Gohan is definitley stronger than ssj2. It is entirely possible that Kid Buu is stronger, and more formidable in many ways. experience be damned. ULTIMATE Gohan vs SS3 goku MANGA ONLY Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. So clearly he could not. Either way Kid Buu power level is close to or over 60 billion. It is a published work of the Dragon Ball franchise. gohan far surpassed ssj3 gotenks based on their individual fights with super buu. And we already established this, GT base Goku (or maybe just SSj) = Z Goku SSj3. For example, Gotenks Ssj3 couldn't defeat Super Buu but Ultimate Gohan easily outmatches it showing that Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Gotenks Ssj3. he wants the next gen to take over. in fact goku never won a fight by himself. And yet he had a serious face and was nervous while buu was only smiling, I can't make it any simpler than that.Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. Gogeta was a stretch because Gogeta defeated Janemba instantly. and what do you mean no hand to hand? As SSj3, he got a lot stronger, and was able to match Super Buu blow-for-blow. Now as for Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku, they also say in the show that the transformation is about the same power level, but without as much physical strain so it makes it easier to fight and stayed powered up (something along those lines anyway). Anyway, Gohan is just as strong as SSJ3, http://www.mangareader.net/105-3156-12/dragon-ball/chapter-507.html This cleary depicts Goku stating in the manga that he and Vegeta TOGETHER would be unable to defeat Super Buu, the same Buu that Gohan beat the crap out of. SSJ3 Goku is not the strongest character in the Buu Arc, not even second best! . the only reason kid buu pushed it back was because goku was out of strength and left the genki dama stationary. Anyway I'm going to explain why Ultimate Gohan is stronger. The Kai's are not a reliable source. if he was, how come goku didnt wish him to the planet of the kais? no you dont. gohan was beaten because his power wasnt great enough. Gotenks was equal with super buu that it was far stronger than super buu.And ofcorse Gohan that was stronger than Gotenks is obvious that was also stronger than Super Buu. That means he must also relearn how to transform into a SSJ. And Super Saiyan Blue Goku couldn't beat him, and this Goku is leagues above SSJ3 Goku during the Buu saga. The only facts are that, in anime, Goku is stronger as it was shown in "Wrath of the Dragon" the exact same punch that knocked out Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Goku took it like it was nothing. but he is, friend. SSJ3 Goku also fought Buutenks for a minute, he did a terrible job and was also thrashed like a child. Super Buu is just as capable of destroying everything as Kid Buu is. and goku was turned into a body smaller than a flea so he was too small to fight properly. SSJ3 Goku was weaker than SSJ3 Gotenks at the time, only being considerably stronger than SSJ Gotenks (post-rosat) at full power. and minutes after that, smiled at super buu and warned him not to underestimate him. It is difficult to say who was stronger but in my opinion, goku ssj3 was stronger than gohan. User:Dbzfan999sig 18:21, October 25, 2011 (UTC)This is the right answer. stop editing posts. Goku even said in the anime himself Gotenks is stronger then him. Buu was able to trick them before and absorb them, it would be very risky as if buu absorbs one of them they would be screwed, goku feared that buu could absorb them again, Goku said that he wouldn't be able to beat Super Buu even if he and Vegeta ganged up on him. It felt like a long time coming that he truly believed in his own power, rather than relying on others to get him pumped. it doesnt matter if he has more experience or not. Super Buu had some good, he spared Hercule and Bee. When Gohan came along, he dominated him. As Vegeta never turns Ssj3 it would be difficult to decide whether Ultimate Gohan is stronger or Ssj3. Goku said Gotenks was stronger then him. and gohan was beating him up but doing no real damage. Akira toriyama (writer) stated that Ultimate gohan is the strongest unfused character in the buu saga. Let me explain. The only explanation why ssj3 Goku was losing to Super Buu Gotenks absorbed is because he was supressing. "you cant have the "strength of a ssj3" ssj3 is a form not a power level. goku didnt NEED vegetas help or shenrons. goku ssj3 is stronger than ultimate gohan. 2. Kid Buu is not "more evil" he and Super Buu wanted to destroy everything so why would the Kai's waste their breathe to say Kid is unrestrained as in more evil more crazy when it really doesn't matter since the outcome would be the same no matter which Buu won. Same goes to SSJ3 gotenks. he never thought they could have won. the same reason goku wanted to let gotenks handle fat buu instead of himself. Since gohan was weaker than goku at that point in the story and the unlocking ability made him stronger than super buu, I'd say so. I do not own any of the sprites, content or sounds used in the animation. If post-Buu Saga, Mystic Gohan fell behind as he began to focus on things like dating Videl and studying to be a scholar while SSJ3 Goku trained continuously an probably kept perfecting his mastery over SSJ3. AND kid buu repelled the s bomb so goku needed to go super saiyan just to push the spirit bomb, gotenks > super buu, and goku is stronger than kid buu. This is the same Super Buu that Ultimate Gohan effortlessly walked all over. And that was because he was distracted. Therefore, we can say that ssj3 goku was more powerful than ultimate gohan. gotenks being on his level is absolutely astounding and amazing, especially at such a young age. GOKU!!! But he is a fighting prodigy. ssj3 gotenks was definitely more powerful than super buu. I always thought it was said that SSJ3 Goku could've rotflstomped Fat Buu had he tried. I know he didn't want Goku looking for Bills, but what about with Buu?? Goku trains 24/7. As far as goku looking for a fusing partner is concerned, Goku knew he had to utilize a lot of energy in his ssj3 state to defeat buu. Well whoever is stronger....think of it like this. vegeta said he would beat fat buu too. of course gotenks fought him hand to hand! SSJ3 Goku fatigues super fast, and Ultimate Gohan was stronger than super buu, who was stronger than fat buu, who was essentially equal to goku. I don't like using movies, but that is all we have that can actually determine something. Piccolo only questioned Gotenks speed and when gotenks went to fly to fight buu piccolo was only worried that he only had 1 minute left, also that gamble comment was because they needed to master a difficult tecnique in two days and considering how stupid gotenks is he would play around suring the fight and might run out of time, fat buu would kill him after that. U r twice as strong as u were ever before, your speed your power". SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't as strong as Super Buu either. Well lets look at that "fight" Goku "fights" buutenks for all of 60 seconds and the only time he manages to land a proper hit is when buutenks pauses and fires at Gohan, beyond this moment buutenks is pretty dominant and laughing while Goku is nervous and fighting to survive. Anyways, debate will get you nowhere because someone can always pull more speculation out, so that was just a summary of points. OMFG somebody keeps on putting kid buu in the arguments he died from who??? This trait could actually make Kid Buu more formidable. Ultimate Gohan is stronger than that movie's Goku. Broly Rocks 08:58, August 21, 2011 (UTC). kid buu is nowhere near super buu.". Remove them from dbz and i m more than ready to accept that Gohan was stronger. He achieved and fully mastered SSJ3 in one week. There are arguments on both sides but we can as the series proceed, the villains get stronger and stronger. Except base Gotenks fought Fat Buu and got his ass handed over to him, while SSJ3 Goku could have beaten him. Goku thought Gotenks would be a match for Fat Buu not Super Buu, meaning he didn't rank their power that highly. Adding on to that Vegeta said Goku is the only one capable of fighting Kid. Like Goku would refute a fight unless he knew he couldn't win. Your an idiot, all u typed has opinion written all over it. Remember Super Buu tried to destroy the world to but Vegito stopped him. That's a perpetual fan myth. he said "like this we cant win" meaning they were too small to fight. I dont think Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. How could do they do that if they were too weak? Especially due to the fact he believes SSJ1 Gotenks can beat Majin Buu, while he had to go SSJ3 to even combat him. But again, In the Wrath of the Dragon, Ultimate Gohan is defeated by Hirudegam who is again defeated by Ssj3 Goku. He became tired right at the end of the battle. no he didnt. And when did you actually see Super Buu fight hand to hand? You just claimed Goku SS3>Buuhan. Goku the years training from end of Z Buu saga to Battle … Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! He looks stronger to me. That's just his lower half. Gohan effortlessly handled Super Buu, so add a Piccolo and to baby SSJ, and Gohan was still going to do his thing. 2) Goku had trouble fighting fat majin buu while gohan took no effort into making super buu his *****, and super buu is much more powerful than majin buu. Goku himself stated tht he could have defeated kid buu ( which is stronger that any form of super buu) as a full power ssj3 though, and in the 13th movie ultimate gohan can't beat hiruigarn but ssj3 goku does. So Goku's energy would run out a lot faster than Gohan's, leaving him very tired and a lot weaker. If he did he meant Fat Buu. again this is when goku wants the next gen to beat buu, not himself. Yeah right. So no, super buu is not stronger than kid buu. kid buu wasnt getting any stronger. IMO Gohan would be stronger. When Mystic Gohan first came, Piccolo said that it must be Goku because it was the greatest power level he ever felt! Heck, he's stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, who's a lot stronger than SSj3 Goku. you misread the quote. remember how gohan hurt freeza in second form? i want them to at least have a shot at saving the world". And I think Hirudegarn was either the same or more powerful then Super Buu. Sep 27, 2020 - Explore Josef S's board "Goku and gohan" on Pinterest. Note that he used foresight during the cell games and when fighting fat buu, knowing he could win but deciding not to, so its possible Goku could've won. Tokeupdude 18:36, January 13, 2012 (UTC). Goku was sure Gotenks was going to be this awesome fighter, but he didn't think that all that power in the hands of someone who doesn't know what to do with it, is well useless. AT originally said it but later he said the opposite, the guy really got shit for making Gohan the successor to Goku. 121.222.11.242 07:11, August 15, 2011 (UTC). So this guy's question is invalid anyways. It's possible GOku know what would happen if Buu absorbed their fusion so he could've done it for that purpose. Gotenks is a fighting IDIOT! The level of power goes like this: Ultimate Gohan > Gotenks SSJ3 > Goku SSJ3 > Majin Vegeta. To contradict this, we can't technically say that Gotenks was the quintessential SSJ3, because he could only hold that form when fused, and, after all, he's a kid with much less fighting experience. So he hadn't mastered it, but at that moment maybe Gohan was stronger. Frankly, Ultimate/Mystic Gohan is just as strong as SSJ3. As we all know that Gohan is better than Goku so you can all continue to sucking dicks and licking pussies thank you. here goku is saying hes not at full power, and if he was,he could defeat kid buu. the others always arrived and saved his ass, using a team effort to finally win. Apologies for those not remotely interested in DBZ, but this got removed from that subreddit and I was told to post it here. 121.222.11.242 07:16, August 15, 2011 (UTC). What? and as soon as goku was ssj, he was like "yeah i win" because he now could push it. That's when he started powering up, because he was pretty sure he could beat Kid Buu fully powered. Kid Buu is insane, that is why he cannot express thing like Super Buu. Gotenks is younger and less experienced than both fighters band his technique is sloppy. goku said that him (in ss3) and vegeta (in ss2) cldnt beat super buu and that they wld lose while gohan single handedly pwned super buu. Lets put it like this This clearly shows he is far weaker then them both. Goku in SSJ3 could have taken Fat Buu if he really tried. your the only one who can fight him. The fact is due to the fact he had Piccolo's brain. In Battle of Gods, SSJ3 Goku was destroyed, he was beat in 2 hits maybe 3. Therefore, Gotenks is not stronger than Goku and neither is Gohan. On top of all that if Gohan was in fact stronger than Kid Buu then Goku would've said to Vegeta that they should go grab Gohan but no he said to grab Gohan AND Gotenks to HELP fight. When Goku was dead he shouldnt have been the one to kill buu since he wasnt alive, but since he was fully alive theres no reason that Goku couldnt have killed Buu, unless of course he was weaker. gotenks is a genius at having this natural ability to fight. That being said, one can't deny that the first name that comes to the mind of anyone who hears the words Dragon Ball is Son Goku.. Base Gotenks = SSj3 Goku, WTF! Not sure why, but people didn't like the fact he was the hero of the Cell saga and the Buu Saga. vs Buutenks - cries and tries to run away, fail and jobs vs Buucolo - hides behind Gohan. buuhan>super buu>kid buu>hirudegan>fat buu, Movies aren't canon so I wouldn't read too much into it. "Gohan is the strongest non-fused character at the end of Dragon Ball.". you cant. Making Gohan lose his confidence to beat him. However, the level of power changes when Goku ascends to SSJ3. 5:26. I don't think SSJ3 Goku was as storng as super buu in the canon of the manga, so I guess so. and his over-powered dragon fist technique capable of 1 hit KOing any enemy. if you wish to make a point, why don't you actually try posting something rather than editing other people's posts? I think it depends upon which the Ssj3 is. Well gohan was no Mystic when he gave his energy. Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku from Dragon Ball Super. Piccolo stated Gohan's ki is the strongest he as ever felt. whereas goku was weaker than kid buu. Definitely vegeta was comparing him with the one he fought just a while ago, Buu+piccolo+gohan+goten+trunks. Goku would whip Gohan because of battle experience and being a full-blooded saiyan, but given the same age and experience level Gohan would kill Goku. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu ~ Super Janemba > SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu ~ SSJ Gotenks (post-rosat) > SSJ Gotenks (pre-rosat) > Fat Buu ~ Fat Janemba, SSJ3 Goku > Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu ~ Super Janemba >> Kid Buu ~ SSJ Gotenks (post-rosat) > SSJ Gotenks (pre-rosat) > Fat Buu ~ Fat Janemba, No. Dead Ssj3 Goku is closer to Jiren than Mystic Gohan in Super. You who writes in bold, I realise now that you are a complete TROLL, and refuse to speak with you any longer, since you almost never give any evidence and make absurd claims. When kid buu evolved for the first time, what did vegeta said?? Goku was wrong about how much energy it would take for him to hit his full power and he was most likely wrong about his full power being able to beat Kid Buu. Do there u have it butt plugg 's. 121.222.11.242 06:46, August 19, 2011 (UTC), "In the manga, shortly after he fights fat buu, goku tells piccolo that he wasnt sure if he could actually have beaten him, but he was certain that trunks + goten fusion could, and at this point he doesnt even expect them to reach ssj3, so this means he is expecting gotenks to be stronger than him even without ssj3.". read it again. As proof Goku with his child body couldn't use instant transmission a skill he used often as an adult. Robertstephenson31. Goku had only used the transformation like maybe 4 times. gohan > super buu > Gotenks > Kid buu > Goku > vegeta >. Be it SSJ3 Goku or Gotenks. Could easily unlcoked goku's true potential have done Goku and highly doubt after that he would have been able to go SS4. Take a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd0Sxotf4aI. 121.222.11.242 07:16, August 15, 2011 (UTC). Which means that his power will be again multiplied after he transforms into a SSJ1 and 2. it wasnt the bulk of everyones power. look what happened. So we know Buutenks is stronger than both. only because they were too small to do anything. So, no. They said Kid Buu is the difficult one because he's stronger not because he's crazy. WE DON'T KNOW WHICH BUU IS STRONGER. a stationary genki dama is pretty easy to push back. Then we have the newly formed Super Buu which is much stronger than Fat Buu. So at this point all we can say is they are equal with maybe Gohan having the slight edge. So Goku and Gotenks should be near equals for that matter. Goku never fully mastered ssj3 so it might be stronger and if we're talikng about the energy drain ssj had a lot of side effects if you used it before mastering it. "wrong. OF COURES! I still love Gohan's confidence at the beginning of his fight with Buu. But at BEST he's probably as strong as ssj3. Tokeupdude 21:57, October 21, 2011 (UTC). Kibito kai said that kid buu is stronger than ever. Now we know that Goku said he could have beaten Majin Buu (and he said this pretty definitely) when he first met him, and he seemed to be holding his own against Kid Buu, but concluded that though they were about equal, Goku didn't have enough power to actually beat him. Not a warrior like Goku or Vegeta. The only thing I can say to this is because of the plot. and gohan didnt even look one bit short of breath when he gave his energy. no he didnt. he still has the power level. Gotenks didn't had enough strength to defeat Super Buu, but didn't due to his childish nature and time limit of the fusion. Rocks 08:52, August 15, 2011 ( UTC ) do his thing and! To this is when Buutenks reverted to piccolo on Namek implied that an stronger... Gap carries on to that vegeta said Goku is only a inch then! Than SSJ2 enough for the spirit bomb and Gohan was beating him up but no! But not as strong as u were ever before highly doubt after he! 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